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THE shooting of Michael
Brown, an 18-year-old African-American, by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, is a reminder
that civilians—innocent or guilty—are far more likely to be shot by police in
America than in any other rich country. In 2012, according to data compiled by
the FBI, 410 Americans were “justifiably” killed by police—409 with guns. That
figure may well be an underestimate.
Last year,
in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The
number of people fatally shot was zero. In 2012 the figure was just one. Even
after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain’s population, British citizens
are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans.
Between 2010 and 2014 the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque
in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number
of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.
The explanation for this gap is simple. In Britain, guns are rare. Only specialist firearms officers carry them; and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British police officer was killed by a firearm on duty was in 2012, in a brutal case in Manchester. The annual number of murders by shooting is typically less than 50. Police shootings are enormously controversial. The shooting of Mark Duggan, a known gangster, which in 2011 started riots across London, led to a fiercely debated inquest. Last month, a police officer was charged with murder over a shooting in 2005. The reputation of the Metropolitan Police’s armed officers is still barely recovering from the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent Brazilian, in the wake of the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London.
In America, by contrast, it is hardly surprising that cops resort to their weapons more frequently. In 2013, 30 cops were shot and killed—just a fraction of the 9,000 or so murders using guns that happen each year. Add to that a hyper-militarised police culture and a deep history of racial strife and you have the reason why so many civilians are shot by police officers. Unless America can either reduce its colossal gun ownership rates or fix its deep social problems, shootings of civilians by police—justified or not—seem sure to continue.
The explanation for this gap is simple. In Britain, guns are rare. Only specialist firearms officers carry them; and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British police officer was killed by a firearm on duty was in 2012, in a brutal case in Manchester. The annual number of murders by shooting is typically less than 50. Police shootings are enormously controversial. The shooting of Mark Duggan, a known gangster, which in 2011 started riots across London, led to a fiercely debated inquest. Last month, a police officer was charged with murder over a shooting in 2005. The reputation of the Metropolitan Police’s armed officers is still barely recovering from the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent Brazilian, in the wake of the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London.
In America, by contrast, it is hardly surprising that cops resort to their weapons more frequently. In 2013, 30 cops were shot and killed—just a fraction of the 9,000 or so murders using guns that happen each year. Add to that a hyper-militarised police culture and a deep history of racial strife and you have the reason why so many civilians are shot by police officers. Unless America can either reduce its colossal gun ownership rates or fix its deep social problems, shootings of civilians by police—justified or not—seem sure to continue.
If Ferguson Were In The UK, Michael Brown Would
Almost Certainly Be Alive
Cases like the shooting of Michael Brown test the limits of when police can turn to their guns. But even law enforcement experts and authorities who question the shooting of Brown stand by the U.S. policy that police sometimes must open fire.
Take the case of Kajieme Powell. He was shot dead by police a few days after Brown in Missouri for reportedly carrying a small knife and acting erratically after police called to report that he had stolen some sodas and a pastry from a convenience store. Video capturing the footage from start to finish shocked Americans, but some experts say the shooting was standard American practice. “All of my training and all of my background tells me that is a justifiable police shooting against it looks like a mentally ill young man,” said David Long, a criminal justice professor who conducted firearms trainings for federal agents.
Racism And Unchecked Police Violence: An American Epidemic
Communities are uniting in their lack of faith in police and standing up to law enforcement, but underlying issues like racism still need to be addressed if communities like Ferguson and the nation as a whole are to move forward.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/racism-unchecked-police-violence-american-epidemic/197618/
U.N. urges U.S. to stop police brutality after Missouri shooting
(Reuters) - The U.N. racism watchdog urged the United States on Friday to halt the excessive use of force by police after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white policeman touched off riots in Ferguson, Missouri.
Minorities, particularly African Americans, are victims of disparities, the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said after examining the U.S. record.
"Racial and ethnic discrimination remains a serious and persistent problem in all areas of life from de facto school segregation, access to health care and housing," Noureddine Amir, CERD committee vice chairman, told a news briefing.
Full article
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/us-usa-missouri-shooting-un-idUSKBN0GT1ZQ20140829
U.N. urges U.S. to stop police brutality after Missouri shooting
(Reuters) - The U.N. racism watchdog urged the United States on Friday to halt the excessive use of force by police after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white policeman touched off riots in Ferguson, Missouri.
Minorities, particularly African Americans, are victims of disparities, the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said after examining the U.S. record.
"Racial and ethnic discrimination remains a serious and persistent problem in all areas of life from de facto school segregation, access to health care and housing," Noureddine Amir, CERD committee vice chairman, told a news briefing.
Full article
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/us-usa-missouri-shooting-un-idUSKBN0GT1ZQ20140829
Defiance and despair
Here is a clip from The Economist which I have commented on andd which was allueded to by Jim Campbell's comments
Yet most of the demonstrations—in St Louis and elsewhere—were non-violent acts of civil disobedience. Many marched and chanted in protest against a law-enforcement system that often seems biased against people who are poor and non-white. The troubling way Ferguson’s police handled the Mr Brown’s shooting and its aftermath is symptomatic of larger problems of race, class and law enforcement in the country, says Eugene O’Donnell, a former policeman turned lecturer at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. America’s police officers are often poorly paid and badly trained, and many resort to heavy-handed tactics, often involving racial profiling, in their patrols of city streets. “Police departments are frequently not good at their core function,” says Mr O’Donnell. “Ferguson is not an outlier.”
The full article can be found on
We shouldn't talk about Ferguson without talking about guns
The death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, reveals many things about America. One of them that has not yet received adequate attention is that there is a strong case for a form of gun control that is much stricter than anything that's remotely plausible in the context of American politics.
This is true if you think Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson should have been found guilty of a crime. But in many ways it's even more true if you think he's innocent of any wrongdoing. A system in which legal police shootings of unarmed civilians are a common occurrence is a system that has some serious flaws.
In this case, the drawback is a straightforward consequence of America's approach to firearms. A well-armed citizenry required an even-better-armed constabulary. Widespread gun ownership creates a systematic climate of fear on the part of the police. The result is a quantity of police shootings that, regardless of the facts of any particular case, is just staggeringly high. Young black men, in particular, are paying the price for America's gun culture.
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/26/7292963/gun-control-police-shootings
Trigger happy Britain? How police shootings compare
Another Channel 4 article compares UK police shootings to other
parts of the world
But how common is it for British to police to open fire?
In short – very rare. Police officers in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.
See full article
In short – very rare. Police officers in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.
In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.
The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
The authorisation factor is important, because this is where British police differ to most of the rest of the world. Aside from Ireland, all major police forces in Europe routinely carry firearms, along with the US, Canada and Australia. New Zealand is another exception.
See full article
Latest - Breaking News
Antonio Martin shooting: Officer kills armed 18-year-old near Ferguson
#Missouri
Violent protests broke out in suburban St. Louis after another black 18-year-old was fatally shot by a white police officer. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said the officer was questioning the 18-year-old and another man about a theft late Tuesday at a convenience store in Berkeley when the young man pulled a 9mm handgun on him. The officer stumbled backward but fired three shots, one of which struck the victim, Belmar said.
Berkeley is just a few miles from Ferguson, Missouri, where a white police officer fatally shot Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old, on Aug. 9.
What are your views?
Thanks for posting on my site with your comments on White on Black Cop Shooting
ReplyDeleteI'm an NRA instructor. In an actual shooting situation, one develops tunnel vision. The adrenalin kicks in and all officers and anyone taught to shoot is to put led down field center mass period. What you see in the movies about cops shooting somebody in the leg. I can tell you, it was an accident.
It might also surprise you to know that police shootings are worse at night than in the day time. They hit 25% of the time during daylight and less than 15% at night. This obviously begs the question, where did all the other expended round go?
Also most departments unless one is on a special team like SWAT, shoot once a year to qualify. I shoot weekly, Shooting at a paper target is nowhere the same as force on force. I've trained for that using suminitions. Thanks for taking the time to comment on our site. Jim
Hi Jim
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments. So to be clear officers are taught to shoot for the greatest area which is centre mass, the upper body.
Also to be clear you say most departments consisting of armed police cops get practice only once a year minimum to qualify to carry a gun?
Is this enough to handle high pressure situations or should these cops be leaving it for SWAT in situations like in the Tamir Rice situation?
I would not feel comfortable as a police officer carrying a leathal weapon unless I trained with it at least once a week. I would hope part of that training would include reinacting high pressure scenarios.
Is this an unrealistic expectation?
So if you fight, or wave a gun at a cop they are to do nothing.
DeleteHow many times have people of color killed whites? But do the whites riot when they get off?
Everything they are doing with the riots is wrong, protest not riot.
I will tell you if someone was fighting with me after I told them to stop, or if they were waving a gun at me whether it was real or unknown fake I would shoot them as well.
Hi Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI am guessing the issue here is not whites killing people of colour or vice versa on a level playing field. It is law enforcement killing ethnic minorities which include blacks.
No one is saying that rioting is justified either. I doubt any reasonable person would.
So the police, politicians now need to look at the statistics (I did not create them) which show a high rate of deaths under police against ethnic minorities not exclusively black people. Because everyone else is and are questioning why is this so?
So the easy answer is that more ethnic minorities commit crime. That is the easy answer. Easy answers are for lazy people. They are deeper issues and these need to be looked at.
You say if someone comes at you with a gun fake or not, you would shoot them. Would I do the same, maybe? If I did would I regret it? Yes? Would I question if I could have solved the situation without taking a life? Yes I would.
Only hardened sociopath’s lack conscience and remorse.
Just my opinions, you can of course disagree.